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	<title>Comments on: Sprinkler Fitters Union To Oppose Fire Sprinklers</title>
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		<title>By: Jesse Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.residentialfiresprinklers.com/blog/sprinkler-fitters-union-to-oppose-fire-sprinklers/comment-page-1/#comment-19934</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 03:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to see this so called document I am on the executive board for Road Sprinkler Fitters Local 669 and I personally have been to the ICC an the NFPA Seminars cocerning the voting and have particapated in the voting in favor of these bills along with many others of Local 669.  The only ones opposed to this has been the National Home Builders Associations.  I have this personal story to tell about the Vice President from the NHBA when I was in Vegas for there convention we had our burn trailer there for the week we where doing demonstations to show how a residential sprinkler opperates when myself and another executive board member was told and I quote &quot;the cost of a life is insignifagant&quot; then when asked how this person would feel if thier child or grandchild would feel if he or she would be burned or killed in a fire he told us that was personal and not to go to that level. All this talk please show me this document for Local 669 is the nations largest sprinkler fitters union and we do more to promote this industry from the streets to congress more than anyone gives us credit for so please send me this document my email is JEVANS669@live.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see this so called document I am on the executive board for Road Sprinkler Fitters Local 669 and I personally have been to the ICC an the NFPA Seminars cocerning the voting and have particapated in the voting in favor of these bills along with many others of Local 669.  The only ones opposed to this has been the National Home Builders Associations.  I have this personal story to tell about the Vice President from the NHBA when I was in Vegas for there convention we had our burn trailer there for the week we where doing demonstations to show how a residential sprinkler opperates when myself and another executive board member was told and I quote &#8220;the cost of a life is insignifagant&#8221; then when asked how this person would feel if thier child or grandchild would feel if he or she would be burned or killed in a fire he told us that was personal and not to go to that level. All this talk please show me this document for Local 669 is the nations largest sprinkler fitters union and we do more to promote this industry from the streets to congress more than anyone gives us credit for so please send me this document my email is <a href="mailto:JEVANS669@live.com">JEVANS669@live.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Darin N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darin N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mafia is spelled AFSA.</description>
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		<title>By: Antonio Barsotti</title>
		<link>http://www.residentialfiresprinklers.com/blog/sprinkler-fitters-union-to-oppose-fire-sprinklers/comment-page-1/#comment-13144</link>
		<dc:creator>Antonio Barsotti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all they want is to corner the market. That way they can keep charging outrageous fees to unknowing customers and say this price pays for &quot;life safety&quot;  BS its to line their pockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all they want is to corner the market. That way they can keep charging outrageous fees to unknowing customers and say this price pays for &#8220;life safety&#8221;  BS its to line their pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Dunson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Dunson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to be in the sprinkler fitters apprenticship program about 10 years ago. Local 709. Was wondering if someone could give me info on where to go in san diego co. to try and get into the union again. thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to be in the sprinkler fitters apprenticship program about 10 years ago. Local 709. Was wondering if someone could give me info on where to go in san diego co. to try and get into the union again. thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy D. Roxson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy D. Roxson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>California&#039;s legislative bill AB 2288, which will establish a minimum standard for training for those who install fire suppression systems in California, does include the AFSA apprenticehsip program as a viable method for obtaining the training required for State Fire Marshal certification.  As you may not know, the AFSA apprenticeship training program is approved by the California Department of Industrial Relations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>California&#8217;s legislative bill AB 2288, which will establish a minimum standard for training for those who install fire suppression systems in California, does include the AFSA apprenticehsip program as a viable method for obtaining the training required for State Fire Marshal certification.  As you may not know, the AFSA apprenticeship training program is approved by the California Department of Industrial Relations.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Greenman</title>
		<link>http://www.residentialfiresprinklers.com/blog/sprinkler-fitters-union-to-oppose-fire-sprinklers/comment-page-1/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Greenman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 20:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, isn&#039;t this just great. These guys just managed to steamroll a like bill through the Washington Legislature and now the State FM is stuck trying to figure out an equitable method of enforcement. Of little solace overall but of monumental importance is that the Washington State bill says nothing of &quot;approved apprenticeship programs&quot; but rather allows the State FM to determine acceptable levels of training and testing. This is important because it removes the standard of care from the legislation which, by my understanding of Washington law, would default to the Department of Labor &amp; Industries for enforcement. L&amp;I presides over what apprenticeship programs are approved and has doggedly and for years refused to approve the AFSA program even though it is approved by the US Dept. of Labor. The ONLY approved fitter apprenticeship program in Washington is the Union&#039;s. Had the legislation we&#039;ve been saddled with up here carried language similar to California&#039;s we would soon see the demise of the merit shop. And as an aside, so you all may know where I&#039;m coming from, let me give you some personal background. 

In California I was once an IBEW electrician (from a family of unionists, either IBEW or Railroad &amp; back further to socialists in pre-Fascist Italy--don&#039;t let the name confuse you) and then went on to be a Santa Cruz County Building Inspector. When I came north anti-California sentiment was rife in Washington. There was even a weekly (maybe daily) California bashing columnist (Emmett Watson) in the Seattle Times. My union &quot;brothers&quot; just couldn&#039;t seem to find me work so I went to work for a union sprinkler company as an inspector. Now that job wasn&#039;t a union job and my good brothers in the fitter&#039;s union didn&#039;t think the three inspectors at this company were worth bringing into the fold. I worked there at abysmal wages so as to feed my children until I found a better paying job with a merit shop. 

Being ambitious I rose rather rapidly and soon (at least after the first two years) was making scale or above. I then went into management. I am now no longer directly in the fire protection industry but rather in the education business and once again a union member although this time the American Federation of Teachers. I have always been an executive board officer in AFT in some capacity. I will tell you that if the Safeway workers strike or the service staff at a hotel or restaurant puts up a picket line I will not cross that line and I wouldn&#039;t do it even in the days when I was not in a union. I didn&#039;t eat grapes and I didn&#039;t eat lettuce in the days of Cesar Chavez. On the other hand I find a union that uses it&#039;s substantial economic clout to lobby for legislation that will harm the public by restricting trade, particularly when purporting that that legislation has been proposed for the benefit of the public, again particularly when its supposed to be a remedy for an ailment that doesn&#039;t exist, is deplorable and does not warrant my support. 

This is not meant as any sort of indictment against unionism, nor organized labor, nor the hardworking fitters &quot;picking up heavy things&quot; (we&#039;ll leaver the other part of THAT joke out for now) all day, but rather the current philosophy and strategy of the Union leadership. The purpose of the Union should be to organize labor to ensure a fairness in the workplace and to establish a standard of care that provides the public with a product they can rely on. Strategies like this in California seem more designed to close down merit shops at the detriment of currently satisfied workers (they would be organizable if the Union offered them a better alternative--I don&#039;t see any head busting by hired goons a&#039;la Ford &amp; Reuther) and undermining the public trust and confidence in fire sprinklers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, isn&#8217;t this just great. These guys just managed to steamroll a like bill through the Washington Legislature and now the State FM is stuck trying to figure out an equitable method of enforcement. Of little solace overall but of monumental importance is that the Washington State bill says nothing of &#8220;approved apprenticeship programs&#8221; but rather allows the State FM to determine acceptable levels of training and testing. This is important because it removes the standard of care from the legislation which, by my understanding of Washington law, would default to the Department of Labor &amp; Industries for enforcement. L&amp;I presides over what apprenticeship programs are approved and has doggedly and for years refused to approve the AFSA program even though it is approved by the US Dept. of Labor. The ONLY approved fitter apprenticeship program in Washington is the Union&#8217;s. Had the legislation we&#8217;ve been saddled with up here carried language similar to California&#8217;s we would soon see the demise of the merit shop. And as an aside, so you all may know where I&#8217;m coming from, let me give you some personal background. </p>
<p>In California I was once an IBEW electrician (from a family of unionists, either IBEW or Railroad &amp; back further to socialists in pre-Fascist Italy&#8211;don&#8217;t let the name confuse you) and then went on to be a Santa Cruz County Building Inspector. When I came north anti-California sentiment was rife in Washington. There was even a weekly (maybe daily) California bashing columnist (Emmett Watson) in the Seattle Times. My union &#8220;brothers&#8221; just couldn&#8217;t seem to find me work so I went to work for a union sprinkler company as an inspector. Now that job wasn&#8217;t a union job and my good brothers in the fitter&#8217;s union didn&#8217;t think the three inspectors at this company were worth bringing into the fold. I worked there at abysmal wages so as to feed my children until I found a better paying job with a merit shop. </p>
<p>Being ambitious I rose rather rapidly and soon (at least after the first two years) was making scale or above. I then went into management. I am now no longer directly in the fire protection industry but rather in the education business and once again a union member although this time the American Federation of Teachers. I have always been an executive board officer in AFT in some capacity. I will tell you that if the Safeway workers strike or the service staff at a hotel or restaurant puts up a picket line I will not cross that line and I wouldn&#8217;t do it even in the days when I was not in a union. I didn&#8217;t eat grapes and I didn&#8217;t eat lettuce in the days of Cesar Chavez. On the other hand I find a union that uses it&#8217;s substantial economic clout to lobby for legislation that will harm the public by restricting trade, particularly when purporting that that legislation has been proposed for the benefit of the public, again particularly when its supposed to be a remedy for an ailment that doesn&#8217;t exist, is deplorable and does not warrant my support. </p>
<p>This is not meant as any sort of indictment against unionism, nor organized labor, nor the hardworking fitters &#8220;picking up heavy things&#8221; (we&#8217;ll leaver the other part of THAT joke out for now) all day, but rather the current philosophy and strategy of the Union leadership. The purpose of the Union should be to organize labor to ensure a fairness in the workplace and to establish a standard of care that provides the public with a product they can rely on. Strategies like this in California seem more designed to close down merit shops at the detriment of currently satisfied workers (they would be organizable if the Union offered them a better alternative&#8211;I don&#8217;t see any head busting by hired goons a&#8217;la Ford &amp; Reuther) and undermining the public trust and confidence in fire sprinklers.</p>
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		<title>By: gary d turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary d turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Steve for your comments and thanks to Terri also for her dedication to life safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Steve for your comments and thanks to Terri also for her dedication to life safety.</p>
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