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	<title>Comments on: National Association of Home Builders Requests Appeal of IRC Residential Fire Sprinklers Requirement</title>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.residentialfiresprinklers.com/blog/nahb-appeals-irc-residential-fire-sprinklers-requirement/comment-page-1/#comment-50311</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read Allen’s comments and realized he said all he really wanted to say in the next to the last paragraph. That’s where I’ll focus my comments.

First of all, as an investigator you should really check you facts before you publish them. If you know someone who is charging 30K to install a residential sprinkler in a single family dwelling, he’s a crook and should be in jail.  We all know that only the systems that all the heads activate at once if you hold a match up to one head cost that kind of money.  Unfortunately the public believes that kind of malarkey especially when it comes from one with fire safety consultant credintials, someone who should know better.

Let’s explore how not installing sprinklers will affect the economy:

The home builders opposed to the legislation will surly prosper and create all kinds of new jobs rebuilding homes that burn down or remodel those that are severely damaged.  I wonder if those kinds of repairs come close to 30K.

Let’s not forget the insurance adjusters that will have secure jobs with all the huge insurance claims.  What kind of claims?

How about those from the hospitals and burn centers treating patients with life altering or life ending injuries to not only the occupants but to the firefighters as well who will be entering the structure just about the time flashover normally occurs.

Oh yea, dont forget the funeral homes increasing thier revenue too (there’s another 30K).

Look at all the employment opportunities for new-young eager firefighters filling the slots vacated by our fallen brothers and sisters.

We can also envision all the neighborhood revitalization that will continue to take place even if the occupants and firefighters aren’t injured, then we only we’re only talking menial things like family heirlooms, photographs, worthless hand-me-downs from generation to generation.  Blah, blah, blah...

You know the US Fire Administration published that an averaging a buck-fifty per square foot to install a residential sprinkler system in new construction. a dollar and 61 cents per square foot? That sound like a pretty good deal to me...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Allen’s comments and realized he said all he really wanted to say in the next to the last paragraph. That’s where I’ll focus my comments.</p>
<p>First of all, as an investigator you should really check you facts before you publish them. If you know someone who is charging 30K to install a residential sprinkler in a single family dwelling, he’s a crook and should be in jail.  We all know that only the systems that all the heads activate at once if you hold a match up to one head cost that kind of money.  Unfortunately the public believes that kind of malarkey especially when it comes from one with fire safety consultant credintials, someone who should know better.</p>
<p>Let’s explore how not installing sprinklers will affect the economy:</p>
<p>The home builders opposed to the legislation will surly prosper and create all kinds of new jobs rebuilding homes that burn down or remodel those that are severely damaged.  I wonder if those kinds of repairs come close to 30K.</p>
<p>Let’s not forget the insurance adjusters that will have secure jobs with all the huge insurance claims.  What kind of claims?</p>
<p>How about those from the hospitals and burn centers treating patients with life altering or life ending injuries to not only the occupants but to the firefighters as well who will be entering the structure just about the time flashover normally occurs.</p>
<p>Oh yea, dont forget the funeral homes increasing thier revenue too (there’s another 30K).</p>
<p>Look at all the employment opportunities for new-young eager firefighters filling the slots vacated by our fallen brothers and sisters.</p>
<p>We can also envision all the neighborhood revitalization that will continue to take place even if the occupants and firefighters aren’t injured, then we only we’re only talking menial things like family heirlooms, photographs, worthless hand-me-downs from generation to generation.  Blah, blah, blah&#8230;</p>
<p>You know the US Fire Administration published that an averaging a buck-fifty per square foot to install a residential sprinkler system in new construction. a dollar and 61 cents per square foot? That sound like a pretty good deal to me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 May 2011 01:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have worked with a fire investigator and I currently work as a fire safety consultant.  I agree that sprinkler systems save lives.  I also know that proper working early fire detection equipment and properly maintained fire extinguishers save lives.  With code requiring the minimum of ionization smoke detectors in homes, why haven&#039;t they required fire extinguishers to be installed in the most likely places where fires start and/or where most fire deaths occur (ie. master bedroom, kitchen, basement-near furnace/utility rooms, and in garage) before jumping to requiring that sprinkler systems be installed?  

NFPA recommends three types of early fire detection be in homes, which include ionization detectors, photo-electric detectors, and heat detectors.  Why not make that the code before requiring sprinkler systems?

Why not start with requiring fully monitored smoke/heat alarm systems, with all alarms being monitored, not just one per level?  Monitored alarms allow the residents to know which direction to run, or where to go to put the fire out before it gets out of hand and allows firefighters to know exactly which rooms are involved instead of all alarms going off at once and no one knows where the fire is until they are in it?

Why not require heat detectors in the attic, kitchen, furnace/utility, garage, laundry, family room/TV room, and other such rooms, where smoke detectors can&#039;t be placed due to environmental factors?  Sprinkler systems are absolutely ineffective on attic fires, that can continue to develop undetected for hours.  The homeowners are unaware of the fire until the roof crashes in on them.  The sprikler will do nothing but keep their bodies from burning.

Who pays for the sprikler systems that cost around $30,000 to install?  Everyone pays because the insurance companies will pass the cost onto all of their clients.  They will pass the cost to everyone...everyone...not just the homeowner with the system.  Plus, when the sprinkler system is activated, additional costs are incurred by...everyone.

What are the other more effective and more economical alternatives to help protect lives, firefighters, insurance companies, and all insured clients?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have worked with a fire investigator and I currently work as a fire safety consultant.  I agree that sprinkler systems save lives.  I also know that proper working early fire detection equipment and properly maintained fire extinguishers save lives.  With code requiring the minimum of ionization smoke detectors in homes, why haven&#8217;t they required fire extinguishers to be installed in the most likely places where fires start and/or where most fire deaths occur (ie. master bedroom, kitchen, basement-near furnace/utility rooms, and in garage) before jumping to requiring that sprinkler systems be installed?  </p>
<p>NFPA recommends three types of early fire detection be in homes, which include ionization detectors, photo-electric detectors, and heat detectors.  Why not make that the code before requiring sprinkler systems?</p>
<p>Why not start with requiring fully monitored smoke/heat alarm systems, with all alarms being monitored, not just one per level?  Monitored alarms allow the residents to know which direction to run, or where to go to put the fire out before it gets out of hand and allows firefighters to know exactly which rooms are involved instead of all alarms going off at once and no one knows where the fire is until they are in it?</p>
<p>Why not require heat detectors in the attic, kitchen, furnace/utility, garage, laundry, family room/TV room, and other such rooms, where smoke detectors can&#8217;t be placed due to environmental factors?  Sprinkler systems are absolutely ineffective on attic fires, that can continue to develop undetected for hours.  The homeowners are unaware of the fire until the roof crashes in on them.  The sprikler will do nothing but keep their bodies from burning.</p>
<p>Who pays for the sprikler systems that cost around $30,000 to install?  Everyone pays because the insurance companies will pass the cost onto all of their clients.  They will pass the cost to everyone&#8230;everyone&#8230;not just the homeowner with the system.  Plus, when the sprinkler system is activated, additional costs are incurred by&#8230;everyone.</p>
<p>What are the other more effective and more economical alternatives to help protect lives, firefighters, insurance companies, and all insured clients?</p>
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		<title>By: ICC Board of Directors Unanimously Upholds Residential Sprinkler Requirements &#124; Residential Fire Sprinklers .com</title>
		<link>http://www.residentialfiresprinklers.com/blog/nahb-appeals-irc-residential-fire-sprinklers-requirement/comment-page-1/#comment-3248</link>
		<dc:creator>ICC Board of Directors Unanimously Upholds Residential Sprinkler Requirements &#124; Residential Fire Sprinklers .com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] International Code Council (ICC) Board of Directors has voted unanimously to reject an appeal by the National Association of Home Builders seeking to remove residential fire sprinkler requirements from the 2009 edition of the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] International Code Council (ICC) Board of Directors has voted unanimously to reject an appeal by the National Association of Home Builders seeking to remove residential fire sprinkler requirements from the 2009 edition of the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.residentialfiresprinklers.com/blog/nahb-appeals-irc-residential-fire-sprinklers-requirement/comment-page-1/#comment-2992</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NAHB Wake up!!! Realize that your fighting a losing battle.....Stop the whining, please!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NAHB Wake up!!! Realize that your fighting a losing battle&#8230;..Stop the whining, please!</p>
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		<title>By: ICC Appeals Board Denies NAHB Claim Regarding IRC Residential Sprinkler Requirement</title>
		<link>http://www.residentialfiresprinklers.com/blog/nahb-appeals-irc-residential-fire-sprinklers-requirement/comment-page-1/#comment-2825</link>
		<dc:creator>ICC Appeals Board Denies NAHB Claim Regarding IRC Residential Sprinkler Requirement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to be installed in one and two family homes and town homes effective January 1, 2011. See &#8220;National Association of Home Builders Requests Appeal of IRC Residential Fire Sprinklers Requirement&#8221; for more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to be installed in one and two family homes and town homes effective January 1, 2011. See &#8220;National Association of Home Builders Requests Appeal of IRC Residential Fire Sprinklers Requirement&#8221; for more [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Residential Fire Sprinklers .com</title>
		<link>http://www.residentialfiresprinklers.com/blog/nahb-appeals-irc-residential-fire-sprinklers-requirement/comment-page-1/#comment-2458</link>
		<dc:creator>Residential Fire Sprinklers .com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UPDATE: The appeal hearing for RB64-07/08 and RB66-07/08 has been scheduled for December 11, 2008 at 8:00am Central.  It will be held in the Wyndham O&#039;Hare in Rosemont, IL. The appeal will be conducted in-person only. There will be no conference call capabilities.

To view the notice of appeal hearing click on the following &lt;a title=&quot;ICC Appeal Hearing Notice for RB64 and RB66&quot; href=&quot;http://www.residentialfiresprinklers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/notice_appeal_hearing_RB64_RB66.pdf&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ICC Appeal Hearing Notice for RB64 and RB66&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPDATE: The appeal hearing for RB64-07/08 and RB66-07/08 has been scheduled for December 11, 2008 at 8:00am Central.  It will be held in the Wyndham O&#8217;Hare in Rosemont, IL. The appeal will be conducted in-person only. There will be no conference call capabilities.</p>
<p>To view the notice of appeal hearing click on the following <a title="ICC Appeal Hearing Notice for RB64 and RB66" href="http://www.residentialfiresprinklers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/notice_appeal_hearing_RB64_RB66.pdf" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ICC Appeal Hearing Notice for RB64 and RB66</a></p>
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		<title>By: homesafe</title>
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		<dc:creator>homesafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is ironic that the NAHB is claiming that any group representing more than 30% of the voting base is unfairly dominating the process when they themselves hold 4 of the 11 seats on the committee. They are exceeding the 30% rule and we should amend the bylaws and take those seats away from the NAHB (who are not even eligible to vote on code changes) and give them to parties that represent the broader base of the affected populace.
I think an appeal should be made to remove their unfair representation from the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is ironic that the NAHB is claiming that any group representing more than 30% of the voting base is unfairly dominating the process when they themselves hold 4 of the 11 seats on the committee. They are exceeding the 30% rule and we should amend the bylaws and take those seats away from the NAHB (who are not even eligible to vote on code changes) and give them to parties that represent the broader base of the affected populace.<br />
I think an appeal should be made to remove their unfair representation from the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.residentialfiresprinklers.com/blog/nahb-appeals-irc-residential-fire-sprinklers-requirement/comment-page-1/#comment-2299</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fire sprinklers save lives!!!!!!! Go 2 bed on this one NAHB!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fire sprinklers save lives!!!!!!! Go 2 bed on this one NAHB!</p>
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		<title>By: Residential Fire Sprinklers .com</title>
		<link>http://www.residentialfiresprinklers.com/blog/nahb-appeals-irc-residential-fire-sprinklers-requirement/comment-page-1/#comment-2204</link>
		<dc:creator>Residential Fire Sprinklers .com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Fire Prevention Association of North Texas (FPANT) has sent a written response to the ICC providing their views on the NAHB request to appeal.

See &lt;a title=&quot;FPANT Letter to ICC Regarding NAHB Appeal&quot; href=&quot;http://www.residentialfiresprinklers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/FPANT_letter_to_ICC_regarding_NAHB_appeal.pdf&quot; target=&quot;blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FPANT Letter to ICC Regarding NAHB Appeal&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Fire Prevention Association of North Texas (FPANT) has sent a written response to the ICC providing their views on the NAHB request to appeal.</p>
<p>See <a title="FPANT Letter to ICC Regarding NAHB Appeal" href="http://www.residentialfiresprinklers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/FPANT_letter_to_ICC_regarding_NAHB_appeal.pdf" target="blank" rel="nofollow">FPANT Letter to ICC Regarding NAHB Appeal</a></p>
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